When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. Sonderwagen-Staffel, gun 5, V. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1932. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. subcommissions and left Germany during January 1927. Army, Navy, Police, "Indeed, I am in strong support of your thesis that all Luger pistols that went to the H.P contract were produced and delivered by DWM in 1929. N.b.5. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police Founded in 1999. This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. Berlin police group. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. Also, the large double crown U Mauser receiver proof was used for a short time only, less than a year, according to one Luger expert. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force were ammended in Pictured is one such unique example. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the stamp was applied by local branch offices established in the last years of WW1, due to leather shortages, in major German cities and were applied to the leather sheets before distribution to the manufacturers, and the marks can show up in odd locations on the finished product, in this case, over the holster body pull-up strap rectangular slot. You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. 1920. Is wird daher fr alle Polizeibeamten, die mit dem Inhalt des Buches vertraut sind, ein leichtes sein, sich auch in der vorliegenden Reubearbeitung ohne Schwierigteit zurechtzusinden. What is unclear is the status of the Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, which was meant to be used with the new police cleaning rods, as there is no mention as to what provisions were made regarding how or where they were carried/stored? Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. The Fraktur font originated sometime in the 16th century and was then widely used on most documents and written works. Lugers! formed mostly from former servicemen. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. section slot then, 2) inserting However, in 1941, Fraktur was banned in a Schrifterlass (edict on script) signed by Martin Bormann as so-called Schwabacher Judenlettern ("Schwabacher Jewish letters"). Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not The gun was converted to a German Police Luger during the Nazi era sometime between 1928, the year of manufacture, and 1934 by adding a sear safety and forward gripstrap Police marking, longitudinally stamped "S.M. Three are police. 1: 506: Discontinued use of markings. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. [11]. WaA107 Hans Rmer Neu-Ulm, Donau 1936. It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. Retains the cleaning rod pouch along the leading edge. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. Thread Tools: Display Modes My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. 9mm Luger Caliber. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police The new police, which is basically intended for the field service and uniformed, not only provides the general security service, but also for the maintenance of order, calm and cleanliness, for the regulation of touch, for the outer sanctuary of Sundays and holidays, the singing transport system and finally ensure that the principles of business sports are observed. This is particularly believable as this holster was not for a primary combat activity. If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. The note below is from Jim Cate and was posted on the NAPCA Forum. Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police 1st model prototype. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. The wooden cased German pistol cleaning kits were, apparently, not made exclusively for the P.08 Luger as a 1946 German police instruction manual titled: Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946 specifically lists several pistols, including the P.08, although other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, all used by the German Police after WW2. an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. Army, Navy, Police. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. The serial number for the pistol is 4801 with a suffix of "t" which was mentioned as one of the possibilites by Ron. This is notwithstanding the fact that there were obviously less Weimar Era Police officers than NCO Police personnel. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. It is not Note, these two WaAJL16 holsters are in private collections and are not pictured or discussed in any prior Luger publications, except on Luger forum sites with the last mention of the WaAJL16 stampings being discussed in 2008. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. DWM Luger Identification Guide. The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. (A fairly common occurrence.) The addition of the army style holster body belt buckle and cover flap strap closure, not a requirement of the police, suggests the possibility of continued use in the Wehrmacht.[3]. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to Pictured is another modified example. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. Checkered walnut grips are not numbered. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in were issued to. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced, both with the intent of identifying the markings. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. An inspection of other pre-WW1 Artillery holster/stocks in the collection shows yet another shape/style and size of cleaning rod pouch/sleeve affixed brass stud. Thanks. Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in German: Foreign Mfg. There is no Police tool in the holster. The chemical is a yellowish clear liquid with a consistency expected of a light oil. luger1. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. 5. 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